From initial thought to final release... How do we write songs What makes a song good - or bad? When is a song finished? Can it ever be perfect? Do we even care? And so on... As you can imagine we had a REALLY long conversation on this one that wandered into all sorts of other areas - so it’s a 2 parter! Look out for Part 2 coming soon.

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