How To Build Human-Centric Leadership in an AI World with Bob Johansen, Jeremy Kirshbaum & Gabe Cervantes
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In this episode of the HR L&D Podcast, host Nick Day sits down with futurist Bob Johansen (Distinguished Fellow, Institute for the Future), Jeremy Kirshbaum (Founder, Handshake), and Gabe Cervantes (Director of Scalable Foresight, IFTF) to explore what it really takes to lead in the age of AI.
Together, they unpack the third edition of their groundbreaking book “Leaders Make the Future” and reveal the 10 essential human-centered leadership skills every HR leader and CHRO needs to thrive in a rapidly evolving, AI-powered workplace.
This conversation will help you understand how to use generative AI as a tool for augmentation, not replacement, and how to prepare your workforce for the future of work while keeping your humanity intact.
Important Links:
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Leaders-Make-Future-Third-Leadership/dp/B0D66H9BF1
Bob Johansen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-johansen/
Jeremy Kirshbaum: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-kirshbaum-6294b01a1
Gabe Cervantes: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabe-cervantes-ab147338/
Nick Day’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickday/
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(00:00) Preview and Intro
(03:11) The 10 Skills Every Future Leader Needs
(04:59) How to Use Generative AI
(11:34) Humans + Machines: Augmentation Over Replacement
(14:24) Human Calming: Staying Grounded in a Chaotic World
(16:54) Moving from Efficiency to Effectiveness with AI
(21:35) Using GenAI to Train Leaders
(23:53) What Humans Should Keep vs. Offload to AI
(25:27) Bob’s “Stretch” AI Model That Challenges His Thinking
(27:42) Building AI Policies with Clear Yes-Zones
(30:24) About the Book: Leaders Make the Future
(34:52) HR L&D Vault
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