In this episode of the Growth Over Grades podcast, Jordan sits down with two leaders at the forefront of educational innovation: Brian Stack, Superintendent of the Fremont, NH School District, and Jonathan Vander Els, Director of Innovative Projects at the New Hampshire Learning Initiative (NHLI). Both are also celebrated authors and associates for Solution Tree.

Arguing that traditional, time-based models are insufficient for preparing students for a rapidly changing world, Brian and Jonathan make the case that a systemic shift to competency-based learning is more critical than ever. Using the seven design principles of competency-based learning as a guide, they explore what it truly means to empower students with agency , ensure equity so that "all really does mean all" , and balance academic knowledge with essential, future-ready skills. The conversation also tackles common misconceptions, reframing assessment as an empowering learning experience and explaining why a competency-based model is more rigorous than the traditional system it seeks to replace. For school and district leaders looking to begin this journey, Brian and Jonathan offer a clear roadmap, from building a "guiding coalition" to navigating the complexities of change and sustaining momentum for the long term.