Amber and Steven share their two very different paths to building a life and career. Steven learned by growing up in his family’s restaurant and building skills through hands-on experience.

Amber took a formal education route, earning two master’s degrees from The Ohio State University while also working jobs throughout college and hustling to graduate with virtually zero debt.

Together they explore whether college is truly necessary for success, what each path taught them, and how education, mentorship, and real-world experience can all shape a person’s future. This conversation breaks down myths, highlights trade-offs, and encourages you to define success on your own terms.

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