Thank you for checking out The Front Row Podcast and my interview with Patrick Mcgee. Here's what the podcast sponsor, Revolut is offering: 💰Get S$50 cashback when you sign up to Revolut Business at https://www.revolut.com/rb/tfr/ before 30 Nov 2025 and top up your account. T&Cs and end date apply.(This is also the first sponsorship I have taken since the inception of the podcast. Your support will help me grow the podcast) Patrick McGee is a business journalist who has spent over a decade uncovering the stories behind the technology we use every day. Since 2013, he's written for the Financial Times from Hong Kong, Germany, and California, covering everything from Apple's inner workings to the rise of electric vehicles and the Volkswagen diesel scandal.From 2019 to 2023, Patrick led the FT's coverage of Apple, earning a San Francisco Press Club Award in 2023 for his investigation into the company's HR problems. His work has also appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Times of London, and several other major publications.His first book, Apple in China, draws on more than 200 interviews with former Apple executives and engineers to tell the story of how Apple's decision to build its supply chain in China has increasingly left the company exposed in an age of increased geopolitical tensions between the US and china. Spanning three decades and featuring new details and vivid characters, the book offers a sobering look at Apple's future and the broader state of play in tech and geopolitics. What I like about Apple in China is that it goes beyond the usual executive biographies and fleshes out the increasing convergence between economics, technology and geopolitics. It's both a detailed historical account and an exciting read. TIMESTAMPS:0:00 Intro & Trailer

1:42 Why Apple's Manufacturing Legacy Is Misunderstood

6:21 A Message From Revolut

7:46 How Steve Jobs Lost Manufacturing Control

11:35 The Dot-Com Crisis And Its Impact On Apple

18:49 America's Post-WWII Economic Transition

27:52 Foxconn: The Unsung Partner Behind Apple's Success

33:52 Apple Was Ignorant About China

38:02 Beijing's Strategy Towards Apple

40:48 Apple's Economic Weight In China

46:46 Addressing Critiques of Patrick's China Numbers

49:42 US-China Interdependence

53:37 Why China's Scale Created Unique Challenges

57:51 Can Apple Ever Escape China Dependence

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