Charlie Kirk’s sudden death by a sniper’s bullet has left America reeling—and divided. To some, he was a hero of faith, family, and conservative values. To others, he embodied exclusion, cruelty, and dangerous ideology. In this episode, I step back from the shouting to ask: what does Kirk’s life, and the reaction to his death, reveal about us?

We’ll explore his rise with Turning Point USA, his advocacy for free speech, his controversial stances on immigration, empathy, and foreign aid—and the way his ideas shaped policy and lives. We’ll also unpack the rhetoric that followed his death, from Stephen Miller’s fiery memorial speech to Trump’s crackdown on dissent, and contrast it with Lincoln’s call to the “better angels of our nature.”

At the heart of it is a question: if we really want to honor Kirk’s legacy, isn’t it the honest contest of ideas—not the suppression of them—that matters most?