In this episode, we sit down with Sun (Kagami) Brown for a wide-ranging conversation on the art of Deep Self Design — exploring everything from the Doodle Revolution and gamestorming to collaboration literacy, inner engineering, juicy messiness, and the practice of becoming your own best friend.

One of our favorite ideas Sunni shares is shoshaku jushaku — a Zen Buddhist concept often translated as “one continuous mistake.” While it might sound negative, Sunni reframes it as a philosophy of joyful trust in productive discomfort — a mindset that can transform how we approach both our inner and outer worlds.

Named one of the “100 Most Creative People in Business” and “10 Most Creative People on Twitter” by Fast Company, Sunni has sparked a global movement around visual thinking and is widely credited with popularizing doodling as a tool for deeper inquiry. Her TED Talk has been viewed more than 1.6 million times, and her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, TIME, WIRED, Entrepreneur, and more. She’s been featured on CBS Sunday Morning (twice!) and The TODAY Show, and now leads as CEO of the Center for Deep Self Design.

Listen in for a rich, inspiring conversation about the intersection of our inner and outer worlds — and why, as Sunni reminds us, “a good life is an inside job.”

Listen to Our Previous Conversations:
🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-femme-futurists-society-podcast/id1680532882
🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7xr5S27ZG3DzoHkNsOtxFN

Learn more about Femme Futurists Society at https://femmefuturists.com/
Learn more about Sun at http://nothingintheway.substack.com/

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