In Episode 24 of the Faith in Real Life podcast, Nat Crawford and Daniel Coke sit down with Christian apologist Clay Jones for a deep conversation on one of the most difficult questions in Christianity: Why does God allow evil and suffering?

Clay shares his own journey into apologetics, shaped by a painful family background, and helps us understand how moral and natural evil intersect, how suffering can lead to spiritual growth, and what heaven is really like.

This episode isn’t just theory—it’s full of real, raw, and relevant truth. If you’ve ever wrestled with doubt, pain, or questioned God’s goodness in a broken world, this one’s for you.

📌 Chapters
00:00 – Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
02:06 – Clay Jones: Journey into Apologetics
07:55 – Understanding the Problem of Evil
09:53 – Engaging Different Audiences on Evil
15:38 – Moral vs. Natural Evil
17:31 – The Inevitability of Suffering
22:06 – Free Will and God's Presence
25:25 – Discipleship vs. Conversion
28:36 – Understanding True Salvation
33:21 – The Challenge of Self-Deception
36:48 – Finding Hope in Suffering
41:03 – The Reality of Heaven
47:12 – Setting Our Hope on Grace

📖 Scripture Highlight: Romans 8:18 – “The sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.”

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