Rodney Brooks has spent his entire life at the intersection of robotics, computers, and AI. When the Roomba vacuum cleaner launched in 2002, his company, iRobot, brought all three into millions of people’s homes.

iRobot had already succeeded with robots for space exploration, mine detection, search missions, and military applications. However, after the Roomba came out, it went public with a valuation of $600 million. By then, Rodney had been working on AI and robots for decades alongside the original creators of AI at Stanford and MIT. On today’s episode, we discuss:

• The hype around machine learning and what’s next

• Bootstrapping a startup versus taking funding

• The advantages of being ambitious

• The relationship between luck, risk, and success

• Building robots that work with people rather than against them

• How to build a trustworthy company

• How he predicts what technology is on the rise

• His advice to today’s builders

• And much more

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Where to find Rodney Brooks:

• Website: https://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodney-brooks-1a137517

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In This Episode We Cover:

(00:00) Welcome to the Eric Ries Show

(03:00) Taking iRobot public

(04:33) The change in company culture from private to public

(06:14) Rodney’s upbringing in Australia and early experiments with computers, robots, and mathematics

(7:19) The era of the computer operator

(9:37) Rodney’s arrival at Stanford in 1977 and move to MIT, at the dawn of AI

(11:05) His relationships with the creators of AI

(12:15) What innovators of AI and general intelligence thought they were creating at the time

(13:17) Rodney’s first AI startup, Lucid

(14:52) What Rodney learned about building startups from the experience

(18:31) Starting Light Robot, the space exploration company that eventually became iRobot

(21:29) The fourteen business models on the road to success, including toys

(26:03) The pivot to vacuums

(29:04) Learning about the minutiae of mass production

(34:43) Rodney’s thoughts on the relationship between consumers and the people who make goods

(38:08) Making robots that don’t take away human agency

(40:57) Building a trustworthy robotics company

(43:56) Balancing low-cost and reliable products

(47:00) RobustAI, Rodney’s new company

(51:54) The demand and need for warehouse robots

(53:39) Building robots that work with people rather than against them

(58:20) Talking to warehouse workers for insight into building robots

(59:20) Building startups with a high degree of difficulty

(1:05:29) The advantages of ambition

(1:08:03) Predicting the patterns of technology

(1:11:23) The role of luck in entrepreneurship

(1:12:30) Rodney’s thoughts on the current hype around AI and machine learning

(1:15:34) Rodney’s advice for today’s builders

(1:16:28) Lightning round

You can find the transcript and references at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.ericriesshow.com/⁠⁠⁠

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Eric may be an investor in the companies discussed.