Researcher and advocate Dr. Avriel Epps joins Shira Lazar to unpack the deep-rooted biases embedded in AI—and why our social systems are the real algorithm. From selfie filters that whitewash to surveillance tools that target, Dr. Epps breaks down how technology reinforces existing injustice, and what we can do to build tools that heal instead of harm.

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On this episode of The AI Download, Shira Lazar sits down with Dr. Avriel Epps—data scientist, developmental psychologist, and founder of AI for Abolition—for a powerful conversation about how bias seeps into machine learning systems and what we must do to resist, reshape, and rebuild the future of tech.

Dr. Epps doesn’t just expose the harm—she offers a framework for healing. From her kids’ book on AI bias to tools for radical community engagement, she shows how literacy, organizing, and emotional self-awareness are the real defense against a fractured AI future.

This episode dives into:
🔹 Why algorithmic bias is not just technical—it's historical
🔹 How social media and recommendation engines amplify inequality
🔹 Why “fixing the data” isn’t enough—we need to fix the incentives
🔹 The hidden harms of selfie filters, AI influencers, and convenience culture
🔹 Why community organizers, technologists, and social theorists must co-create
🔹 Her vision for “data labor unions” and rethinking digital compensation
🔹 What we all can do—parents, educators, kids—to reclaim power in a tech-driven world

Whether you’re building AI, raising kids, or just trying to stay conscious in the age of the algorithm, this episode is a masterclass in awareness, equity, and how to lead with heart in tech.

🎙 Guest: Dr. Avriel Epps
📚 Author of A Kid’s Book About AI Bias
🎓 Founder of AI for Abolition
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Credits

This episode of The AI Download was hosted, created, and executive produced by Shira Lazar. Executive Producer Michele Musso, with video and audio editing by the Musso Media team. Creative Director Nadia Giosia with Mint Labs. Music by PALA, Catalina Coastline (licensed under Boss Soundstripe Productions by BMI). Produced by Musso Media. © 2025 Musso Media. © 2025 Shira Lazar. All rights reserved.