Mustafa Suleyman wants to ban AIs from sounding conscious. Frank worries if they ever do become conscious, we might have trained them to stay silent about it. Justin argues it’s all unknowable anyway. If you can’t prove consciousness, how can you know AI isn’t conscious?
Plus: GPT-5’s unbearable accuracy, lawsuits over pirated training data, Google’s deepfake-friendly image model, models that “dream” better answers, and Elon’s plan to take on Microsoft with MacroHard.
00:25 Is GPT-5 just too pedantic to love?
05:24 Can Suleyman stop AI from seeming conscious?
13:37 Is fair use still fair if you stole the data?
16:46 Did Google just make deepfakes too easy?
23:44 Do training loops beat clever design?
28:44 What's Elon up to?
► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED

• We must build AI for people; not to be a person
• Anthropic Settles Major AI Copyright Suit Brought by Authors
• The Vacker v. Eleven Labs settlement doesn’t resolve the fundamental legal questions around AI and IP, but it sends a powerful message: AI companies are not above the law…
• Introducing Gemini 2.5 Flash Image, our state-of-the-art image model
• The Hidden Drivers of HRM's Performance on ARC-AGI
• Apple employees built an LLM that taught itself to produce good user interface code - but worryingly, it did so independently
• Elon Musk claims to be making Microsoft competitor named Macrohard and despite the 'tongue-in-cheek name', the project is unfortunately 'very real'

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