In this final segment of Bridget's interview, Roy Samuelson pulls back the curtain on a years-long campaign to get audio description performers formally recognized by the Television Academy, a move that opens the door for blind professionals to take their rightful place at the table. He shares the staggering 180-degree shift from being told "there's nothing we can do" to a full green light, and reveals what happened behind the scenes to make it possible.

Roy and Bridget dive into the emotional labor, strategic advocacy, and sometimes frustrating opacity of accessibility progress, including a powerful reflection on the ADNA's wishlist of shows (and how that list is quietly shrinking thanks to unseen efforts and community pressure).

They unpack what makes audio description succeed or fail: from clunky synthetic voices to breathtaking human narration, and explore Roy's vision for "Kevin's Way," a tone that signals to blind audiences that they're in good hands.

It's a wide-ranging, emotionally resonant, and eye-opening conversation that challenges how we think about advocacy, allyship, and the evolving role of AI in storytelling.

Listen in to hear how change happens, not with one loud speech, but through years of unseen effort, deep collaboration, and a refusal to give up.