When we recorded this it only appeared that the shutdown was coming to an end, since then it has obviously come to an end, and our thoughts haven't really changed.

Mike and Alex have a new movie podcast called Cine-Men over on the Chocolate Diamond Media channel, you can find that podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5oX38FsBlU&list=PL6bLEHmnkdkEPTcYue5JvWHTH5Urmn9vR

Mike's first novel, The Dinner Party is out and available now. You can also download the first chapter for free! You can find both the preorder link and the first chapter at ⁠⁠https://www.michaelchristophercole.com⁠⁠

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