Welcome to part 4 in the interview with Leo Drozdoff, Nevada Department of Conservation Director and John Laird, California Natural Resources Secretary. Are we entering a new chapter in the relationship between California and Nevada with the new Regional Plan and the bi-state effort that has gone into it? John Laird says “If this is paradigm shift then people will have to act in that new paradigm for a few years before we know it”. Hear his and Leo Drozdoff’s reflections on the accomplishments of the past year and their words about the states’ commitment to Tahoe into the future.