Professor Sarah Jaquette Ray, Chair of Environmental Studies at Cal Poly, Humboldt knows a lot about climate anxiety and how people handle overwhelm. She is author of The Existential Toolkit for Climate Justice Educators and A Field Guide to Climate Anxiety: How to Keep Your Cool on a Warming Planet. She has spent a lot of time thinking about working with people struggling to come to terms with our rapidly heating planet.

In this episode visiting cohost neuroscientist, artist, and writer Suparna Choudhury and Swamped host Joshua Moses talk to Sarah about politics, brain science, youth anxiety, authoritarianism, and how to stay sane when it feels like the world just punched you in the gut and when you’re feeling anything but sane.