Alex and Craig unpack David Benner’s Surrender to Love and ask why so many of us settle for spiritual “okayness” instead of the ocean of the Father’s love.

Through movie metaphors, the prodigal son, and honest personal stories, they explore how fear, control, and religious earning keep us stuck in mud puddles while Jesus invites us home.

This conversation will help you reimagine obedience as surrender, vulnerability, and learning to actually live from being loved.