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In this episode, the hosts discuss the challenges and triumphs of transitioning their podcast to a virtual format. They welcome Dan Durston of Durston Gear, a leading innovator in ultralight backpacking and bikepacking tents. Dan shares his unique journey from a biology background to becoming a tent designer, spurred by his personal need for more efficient outdoor gear. He provides insights into his design philosophy, the importance of weight efficiency, and the influence of community feedback on product development. The conversation also explores the nuances between backpacking and bikepacking gear, customer preferences, and the growth of the outdoor market during the COVID era. Dan reveals upcoming products and reflects on the surreal experience of seeing his tents being used in the wild. The episode wraps up with hopes for in-person connections and future collaborations.00:00 Introduction and Technical Setup00:16 Welcome to Shiftless Podcast00:47 Movie Recommendations and Casual Chat01:14 Introducing the Guest: Dan Durston02:16 Dan Durston's Tent Innovations04:28 Bike Packing and Tent Considerations15:57 Durston's Journey and Tent Design Philosophy17:48 Ultralight Backpacking and Tent Features28:00 Freestanding Tent Design and Market Insights35:44 Exploring Tent Features for Bike Packing36:31 Ventilation and Design Challenges37:36 Mesh vs. Solid Interiors38:24 Balancing Customer Needs42:26 Market Demand and Pricing43:50 Company Growth and Production Strategy50:14 Personal Background and Business Journey52:55 Impact of COVID on Business01:01:57 Future Product Development01:06:06 Final Thoughts and Farewell