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What does it take to stay open when the stakes are personal and the views across the table feel miles apart? We dive into the messy, human work of understanding people we disagree with, sharing stories from healthcare, EMS, and family life where curiosity isn’t a slogan—it’s a survival skill. Our north star is simple and hard: respect beats being right. From there, we practice listening without interrupting, asking better questions, and building “brave spaces” where safety is supported but never assumed.
We talk honestly about boundaries as an act of love, especially when conversations become harmful or dismissive of identity. You’ll hear how we use role clarity and purpose to steer high-stakes interactions: saving a life makes ideology feel smaller. We unpack the hidden variable that powers empathy—security. When basic needs and emotional bandwidth are low, self-preservation takes over; when they’re met, curiosity has room to breathe. That realism threads the episode: sometimes the kindest move is to disengage; sometimes it’s to lean in with a question that reveals the value beneath a viewpoint.
Along the way, we trade green flags for trust—regulated nervous systems, shared urgency, the ability to laugh—and admit where we stumble. We examine anger as a transitional emotion, the pain calculus of staying open, and the challenge of being a “student of the person” when family dynamics or workplace norms complicate everything. If you’ve ever wondered how to protect your peace without closing your heart, this conversation offers language, tools, and lived examples you can use today.

Special Guests (and first-time CK'ers) Rhys Lombardo and Theo Crane join in on this curious conversation.

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