What does it take to lead with both strength and heart? In this episode, Rebecca Dhrimaj sits down with Hans-Werner Kaas, senior partner emeritus at McKinsey & Company, to explore the evolving face of leadership—one where empathy and human connection aren’t just nice-to-haves, but essential for building resilient organizations. From unplanned personal leadership journeys to the overlooked human side of business education, they unpack stories, insights, and hard-earned lessons from the C-suite. Whether you’re a seasoned executive or an emerging leader, this conversation offers a compelling case for self-reflection, deep listening, and putting people at the center of success.

Chapters

00:00 The Journey of Leadership Begins

11:37 Human-Centric Leadership: A New Approach

26:20 The Importance of Self-Reflection

Resources:

The Journey of a CEO Book: https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/mckinsey-on-books/journey-of-leadership

Podcast Episode: The Journey of Leadership, Hans-Werner Kaas and Bob Chapman in Conversation https://youtu.be/qgVZP6HPbl4?si=D-ih113COBW5AMhH

McKinsey's Bower Forum: https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/people-and-organizational-performance/how-we-help-clients/mckinsey-academy/executive-programs/bower-forum