How does the superpower rivalry between the US and China dictate international relations more broadly? And what does it mean for the future of trade, security and development? Lyunn Kuok, Lee Kuan Yew, Chair in Southeast Asia Studies at the Brookings Institution, and a member of the Forum's Global Future Council on Geopolitics, analyses the state of the global relations almost a year into the second Donald Trump presidency. This episode is a collaboration between the World Economic Forum's weekly Radio Davos and Beyond the Headlines, the flagship current affairs podcast of The National, the Middle East's leading English-language newspaper. It was recorded at the Forum's Annual Meetings of the Global Future Councils and Cybersecurity in Dubai on 15 October, 2025. It is co-hosted by Mina Al-Oraibi, The National's Editor-in-Chief. Watch a video version of this podcast on our YouTube channel: https://wef.ch/43bySEO Links: Network of Global Future Councils: https://initiatives.weforum.org/global-future-council Global Future Council on Geopolitics: https://initiatives.weforum.org/global-future-council-on-geopolitics Annual Meetings of the Global Future Councils and Cybersecurity 2025: https://www.weforum.org/meetings/annual-meetings-of-the-global-future-councils-and-cybersecurity-2025/ The National: https://www.thenationalnews.com/ Related podcasts: Beyond the Headlines podcast: https://www.thenationalnews.com/podcasts/beyond-the-headlines/

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