In this episode, we sit down with author Donna VanLiere to explore the rich, often overlooked details of the biblical nativity story, and why they matter for us today. From the unlikely cast of characters to the humble setting of Jesus' birth, we look at how each part of the story speaks meaning and purpose into our own lives, especially as we enter the Christmas season. Our guest helps us see how the first Christmas wasn't polished, serene, or ideal, but messy and real, much like our own lives. We talk about how Christmas is truly for everyone, and perhaps most especially for those who feel troubled, unseen, or without hope. Together we explore how the joy of Christmas isn't dependent on perfect circumstances but arises from the presence of God with us in the midst of whatever we are facing. Whether this season feels bright or heavy, this conversation offers an invitation to experience Christmas in a deeper, more grounded, and more joyful way. Connect with Donna VanLiere on her website, Facebook, or YouTube Check out the YouVersion Bible reading plan based on Looking For Christmas Find out more about Donna's book Looking for Christmas: A Search for the Joy and Hope of the Nativity We'd love you to be one of our Friends of Dr. Carol Ministries. Dr. Carol loves to hear from you. You can leave a confidential message here.