What happens when a seasoned debater embraces the compassionate lens of Nonviolent Communication (NVC)? In this episode, I’m joined by writer and commentator Margot Magowan, who has debated on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and Good Morning America—and now finds herself navigating the delicate intersection between advocacy and empathy.

Margot shares her evolving journey from using sharp logic to influence others (including her daughter) to practicing deep empathic listening—and how that shift has transformed her family life. We explore what it’s been like for her to integrate NVC into parenting, marriage, and public discourse.

This conversation doesn’t offer easy answers—and that’s what makes it so rich. Margot is actively grappling with big questions: — Can NVC truly coexist with the drive to change minds—or change the world? — How do we speak with passion while still seeing the humanity in those we disagree with? — When is it time to listen, and when is it time to speak up?

If you’ve ever wondered how to blend NVC with social change work—how to hold compassion for all people while staying rooted in your values—this episode is for you.

About Margot Magowan: Margot is a writer and commentator whose work has appeared on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, Good Morning America, and other major media platforms. Her fiction is featured in the HarperCollins anthology Sugar In My Bowl. Today, she’s passionate about Nonviolent Communication and supports other parents through NVC-based support groups and coaching. To learn more, you can reach her at [email protected]

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