Why do we still treat donors like royalty and our teams like afterthoughts?

After years in fundraising, I’ve seen how trust, power dynamics, and deep listening can make (or break) our impact. In my latest conversation with sector leader Martha Schumacher, we dig into trust-based philanthropy, standing firm against mission creep, and why real integrity sometimes means saying “no, thank you”—even to transformational gifts.

Martha’s stories will stir your soul and challenge the way you lead. Are we centering our people and our missions, or are we sacrificing them for comfort and tradition?

Ready to see what a healthier, more courageous sector could look like?

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Guest: Martha Schumacher, President, Hazen and HILT

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