In this conversation, Garry Ashton and Brodie discuss the Air Spade tool and its applications in tree management, emphasizing the importance of soil health and the role of microorganisms. They explore various excavation methods, the significance of qualifications in the landscaping industry, and the necessity of chemical safety. The discussion highlights the challenges faced in urban horticulture and the need for professionalism and training to elevate industry standards. In this conversation, Brodie and Garry discuss the transition from traditional jobs to horticulture, emphasizing the importance of both horticultural and business skills. They explore hiring challenges in the industry, particularly in the post-COVID landscape, and the significance of building a sustainable business model. The discussion also touches on timber milling, the logging debate, tendering challenges, and the necessity of simplifying business operations for long-term success.