In this episode, Alyssa Klim discusses the role of knowledge in shark and ray conservation in small local coastal communities in Indonesia. She looks at examples of conservation efforts that have failed to consider local context, and discusses how local knowledge can be incorporated into conservation practices and what this means for local communities. The episode features insights from Rafid Shidqi, co-founder and managing director of Thresher Shark Indonesia, an NGO dedicated to conserving thresher sharks in Indonesia.