In this episode of Roots and Relevance, Jonathan and Tim delve into Luke 23 and discuss the significance of the cross and resurrection. They explore David French's article about the recent revival claims following Charlie Kirk's death and examine the difference between true revival and revolt. The conversation includes an analysis of cultural and political events, Mark Driscoll's reinvention, and the theological implications of the torn temple curtain. The role of power, the fruit of the Spirit, and the effect of Christian values on society are critically assessed in light of biblical teachings. 00:00 Introduction to Roots and Relevance 00:52 Discussing David French's Article 02:49 Charlie Kirk and the TPUSA Movement 03:30 Revival vs. Revolution 06:37 MAGA Christianity and Its Implications 08:29 The Role of Politics in Religion 15:41 Evaluating the Fruit of Revival 22:49 Questioning Traditional Approaches 23:38 Early Church History and Power Dynamics 24:40 Government and Religion: A Complex Relationship 25:28 Biblical Concepts of Redemption 27:07 The Psalms and Redemption 31:39 The Crucifixion and Its Significance 35:04 Theological Reflections on Redemption 42:11 The Torn Curtain: Symbolism and Meaning 44:11 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions