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AI Will Replace Democracy: The Future of Government is Here. Or, is it? Let's discuss! | A Conversation with Eli Lopian | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli

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Podcast: Redefining Society and Technology
https://redefiningsocietyandtechnologypodcast.com
______Title: Tech Entrepreneur and Author's AI Prediction - The Last Book Written by a Human Interview | A Conversation with Jeff Burningham | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli
______Guest: Eli Lopian
Founder of Typemock Ltd | Author of AIcracy: Beyond Democracy | AI & Governance Thought Leader
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elilopian/
Book: https://aicracy.ai
Host: Marco Ciappelli
Co-Founder & CMO @ITSPmagazine | Master Degree in Political Science - Sociology of Communication l Branding & Marketing Advisor | Journalist | Writer | Podcast Host | #Technology #Cybersecurity #Society 🌎 LAX 🛸 FLR 🌍

WebSite: https://marcociappelli.com
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marco-ciappelli/

_____________________________

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Podcast Summary
I had one of those conversations that makes you question everything you thought you knew about democracy, governance, and the future of human society. Eli Lopian, founder of TypeMock and author of the provocative book on AI-cracy, walked me through what might be the most intriguing political theory I've encountered in years.

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Technology entrepreneur Eli Lopian joins Marco to explore "AI-cracy" - a revolutionary governance model where artificial intelligence writes laws based on abundance metrics while humans retain judgment. This fascinating conversation examines how we might transition from broken democratic systems to AI-assisted governance in our evolving Hybrid Analog Digital Society.
Picture this scenario: you're sitting in a pub with friends, listening to them argue about which political rally to attend, and suddenly you realize something profound. As Eli told me, it's like watching people fight over which side of the train to sit on while the train itself is heading in completely the wrong direction. That metaphor perfectly captures where we are with democracy today.

Eli's background fascinates me - breaking free from a religious upbringing at 16, building a successful AI startup for the past decade, and now proposing something that sounds like science fiction but feels increasingly inevitable. His central premise stopped me in my tracks: no human being should be allowed to write laws anymore. Only AI should create legislation, guided by what he calls an "abundance metric" - essentially optimizing for human happiness, freedom, and societal wellbeing.

But here's where it gets really interesting. Eli isn't proposing we hand over control to a single AI overlord. Instead, he envisions three separate AI systems - one controlled by the government, one by the opposition, and one by an NGO - all working with the same data but operated by different groups. They must reach identical conclusions for any law to proceed. If they disagree, human experts investigate why.

What struck me most was how this could actually restore direct democracy. In ancient Athens, every citizen participated in the polis. We can't do that with hundreds of millions of people, but AI could process everyone's input instantly. Imagine submitting your policy ideas directly to an AI system that responds within hours, explaining why your suggestion would or wouldn't improve societal abundance. It's like having the Athenian square scaled to modern complexity.

The safeguards Eli proposes reveal his deep understanding of human nature. No AI can judge humans - that remains strictly a human responsibility. Citizens don't vote for charismatic politicians anymore; they vote for actual policies. Every three years, people choose their preferred policies. Every decade, they set ambitious collective goals - cure cancer, reach Mars, whatever captures society's imagination.

Living in our Hybrid Analog Digital Society, we already see AI creeping into governance. Lawyers use AI, governments employ algorithms for efficiency, and citizens increasingly turn to ChatGPT for advice they once sought from doctors or therapists. Eli's insight is that we're heading toward AI governance whether we plan it or not - so why not design it properly from the start?

His most compelling point addresses a fear I share: that AI lacks creativity. Eli argues this is actually a feature, not a bug. AI generates rather than truly creates. The creative spark - proposing that universal basic income experiment, suggesting we test new social policies, imagining those decade-long goals - that remains uniquely human. AI simply processes our creativity faster and more fairly than our current broken systems.

The privacy question loomed large in our conversation. Eli proposes a brilliant separation: your personal AI mentor (helping you grow and find fulfillment) operates in complete isolation from the governance AI system. Like quantum physics, what happens in the personal realm stays there. The governance AI only sees aggregated societal data, never individual conversations.

I kept thinking about trust throughout our discussion. We've already surrendered massive amounts of personal data to social media platforms. We share things on Instagram and TikTok that would have horrified us twenty years ago. Perhaps we'll adapt to AI governance the same way we adapted to cloud computing, social media, and smartphones.

What excites me most is how this could give every citizen a real voice again. Not just during elections, but daily. Got an idea for improving your community? Submit it to the AI system. Receive thoughtful feedback about why it would or wouldn't work. Participate in creating the laws that govern your life rather than merely choosing between pre-packaged candidates every few years.

Whether Eli's AI-cracy becomes reality or remains theoretical, it forces us to confront a crucial question: if democracy is broken, what comes next? In our rapidly evolving technological society, maybe it's time to stop fighting over which side of the train offers the better view and start laying new tracks entirely.

__________________ Enjoy. Reflect. Share with your fellow humans.

And if you haven’t already, subscribe to Musing On Society & Technology on LinkedIn — new transmissions are always incoming.
https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/musing-on-society-technology-7079849705156870144

You’re listening to this through the Redefining Society & Technology podcast, so while you’re here, make sure to follow the show — and join me as I continue exploring life in this Hybrid Analog Digital Society.

End of transmission.
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Podcast: Redefining Society and Technology
https://redefiningsocietyandtechnologypodcast.com
______Title: Tech Entrepreneur and Author's AI Prediction - The Last Book Written by a Human Interview | A Conversation with Jeff Burningham | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli
______Guest: Eli Lopian
Founder of Typemock Ltd | Author of AIcracy: Beyond Democracy | AI & Governance Thought Leader
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elilopian/
Book: https://aicracy.ai
Host: Marco Ciappelli
Co-Founder & CMO @ITSPmagazine | Master Degree in Political Science - Sociology of Communication l Branding & Marketing Advisor | Journalist | Writer | Podcast Host | #Technology #Cybersecurity #Society 🌎 LAX 🛸 FLR 🌍

WebSite: https://marcociappelli.com
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marco-ciappelli/

_____________________________

This Episode’s Sponsors
BlackCloak provides concierge cybersecurity protection to corporate executives and high-net-worth individuals to protect against hacking, reputational loss, financial loss, and the impacts of a corporate data breach.

BlackCloak: https://itspm.ag/itspbcweb

_____________________________
Podcast Summary
I had one of those conversations that makes you question everything you thought you knew about democracy, governance, and the future of human society. Eli Lopian, founder of TypeMock and author of the provocative book on AI-cracy, walked me through what might be the most intriguing political theory I've encountered in years.

Article
Technology entrepreneur Eli Lopian joins Marco to explore "AI-cracy" - a revolutionary governance model where artificial intelligence writes laws based on abundance metrics while humans retain judgment. This fascinating conversation examines how we might transition from broken democratic systems to AI-assisted governance in our evolving Hybrid Analog Digital Society.
Picture this scenario: you're sitting in a pub with friends, listening to them argue about which political rally to attend, and suddenly you realize something profound. As Eli told me, it's like watching people fight over which side of the train to sit on while the train itself is heading in completely the wrong direction. That metaphor perfectly captures where we are with democracy today.

Eli's background fascinates me - breaking free from a religious upbringing at 16, building a successful AI startup for the past decade, and now proposing something that sounds like science fiction but feels increasingly inevitable. His central premise stopped me in my tracks: no human being should be allowed to write laws anymore. Only AI should create legislation, guided by what he calls an "abundance metric" - essentially optimizing for human happiness, freedom, and societal wellbeing.

But here's where it gets really interesting. Eli isn't proposing we hand over control to a single AI overlord. Instead, he envisions three separate AI systems - one controlled by the government, one by the opposition, and one by an NGO - all working with the same data but operated by different groups. They must reach identical conclusions for any law to proceed. If they disagree, human experts investigate why.

What struck me most was how this could actually restore direct democracy. In ancient Athens, every citizen participated in the polis. We can't do that with hundreds of millions of people, but AI could process everyone's input instantly. Imagine submitting your policy ideas directly to an AI system that responds within hours, explaining why your suggestion would or wouldn't improve societal abundance. It's like having the Athenian square scaled to modern complexity.

The safeguards Eli proposes reveal his deep understanding of human nature. No AI can judge humans - that remains strictly a human responsibility. Citizens don't vote for charismatic politicians anymore; they vote for actual policies. Every three years, people choose their preferred policies. Every decade, they set ambitious collective goals - cure cancer, reach Mars, whatever captures society's imagination.

Living in our Hybrid Analog Digital Society, we already see AI creeping into governance. Lawyers use AI, governments employ algorithms for efficiency, and citizens increasingly turn to ChatGPT for advice they once sought from doctors or therapists. Eli's insight is that we're heading toward AI governance whether we plan it or not - so why not design it properly from the start?

His most compelling point addresses a fear I share: that AI lacks creativity. Eli argues this is actually a feature, not a bug. AI generates rather than truly creates. The creative spark - proposing that universal basic income experiment, suggesting we test new social policies, imagining those decade-long goals - that remains uniquely human. AI simply processes our creativity faster and more fairly than our current broken systems.

The privacy question loomed large in our conversation. Eli proposes a brilliant separation: your personal AI mentor (helping you grow and find fulfillment) operates in complete isolation from the governance AI system. Like quantum physics, what happens in the personal realm stays there. The governance AI only sees aggregated societal data, never individual conversations.

I kept thinking about trust throughout our discussion. We've already surrendered massive amounts of personal data to social media platforms. We share things on Instagram and TikTok that would have horrified us twenty years ago. Perhaps we'll adapt to AI governance the same way we adapted to cloud computing, social media, and smartphones.

What excites me most is how this could give every citizen a real voice again. Not just during elections, but daily. Got an idea for improving your community? Submit it to the AI system. Receive thoughtful feedback about why it would or wouldn't work. Participate in creating the laws that govern your life rather than merely choosing between pre-packaged candidates every few years.

Whether Eli's AI-cracy becomes reality or remains theoretical, it forces us to confront a crucial question: if democracy is broken, what comes next? In our rapidly evolving technological society, maybe it's time to stop fighting over which side of the train offers the better view and start laying new tracks entirely.

__________________ Enjoy. Reflect. Share with your fellow humans.

And if you haven’t already, subscribe to Musing On Society & Technology on LinkedIn — new transmissions are always incoming.
https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/musing-on-society-technology-7079849705156870144

You’re listening to this through the Redefining Society & Technology podcast, so while you’re here, make sure to follow the show — and join me as I continue exploring life in this Hybrid Analog Digital Society.

End of transmission.
____________________________

Listen to more Redefining Society & Technology stories and subscribe to the podcast:
👉 https://redefiningsocietyandtechnologypodcast.com
Watch the webcast version on-demand on YouTube:
👉 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTUoWMGGQHlGVZA575VtGr9

Are you interested Promotional Brand Stories for your Company and Sponsoring an ITSPmagazine Channel?
👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/advertise-on-itspmagazine-podcast


Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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