On this episode of Real Money, Real Experts, Rachael DeLeon and Dr. Brandy Baxter sit down with Dr. Jacquie Carroll—educator, researcher, speaker, and Accredited Financial Counselor®—to talk about the power of the pivot.

Jacquie shares her non-linear career journey, from higher education and HR to financial counseling and now launching her own legacy project, GameKraft, a financial education game designed to help people learn in engaging, accessible ways.

Together, they explore:

1. Why pivots—both planned and unexpected—are essential to personal and professional growth.
2. How AFCs can prepare clients for an ever-changing workforce.
3. The importance of leaning into community, mentorship, and side hustles.
4. Why success isn’t about a straight path, but about being ready when preparation meets opportunity.

Whether you’re considering a career change, supporting clients through transitions, or just need inspiration to embrace the unexpected, this conversation is full of wisdom, encouragement, and practical takeaways.

Show Notes:

2:15 Jacquie’s Early Career

6:40 Discovering Financial Counseling

12:05 Embracing Career Pivots

18:20 Building Community & Connection

24:45 The Birth of GameKraft

32:10 Legacy & Impact

38:00 Jacquie's 2 Cents

Show Note Links:

Learn more about Jacquie's journey!

Connect with Jacquie on Linkedin!

Learn about GameKraft!

Jacquie's favorite resources!

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