We start off with a chat where we talk about the movie based on J.D. Vance’s memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, and go on to talk about Vervaeke’s project in Awakening from the Meaning Crisis. He wants to recover the various parts of the tradition that have informed our ways of thinking without our knowing it, sources such as the Bible and Aristotle, as well as possible solutions that seem to be popular, like mindfulness, Stoicism, and psychedelics. I talk about some of these as well as my wisdom and awakening ways, like folklore and philosophical dialogue.

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