Have you ever built something that looked incredible from the outside…but didn’t actually feel good to live in? I’ve been there, and so have today’s guests, Brad & Jen.

Brad & Jen are a husband-and-wife photography duo with over a decade of experience behind the camera and in business. When I first came across their words on Instagram, I was struck by how different their perspective was from the usual “grow faster, do more” business advice. Their work and their message are both rooted in something deeper: artistry with intention.

In this conversation, we dive into what it really takes to create a sustainable business—one that doesn’t just fill your calendar or pad your Instagram feed, but one that supports your life. We talk about the identity shifts that come with growth, the way hustle can be both healthy and destructive, and the pivotal moments (including their famous “yellow chair moment”) that forced them to make big changes in how they ran their business.

Some of the things we explore together:

• Why success often comes at the cost of friendships, health, or community—and how to course correct.

• The difference between “busy hustle” and “focused hustle,” and how to find your rhythm without burning out.

• How pricing plays a huge role in creating space for rest, freedom, and sustainability.

• The seasonal cycles every business goes through, and how to recognize what season you’re in.

• The mindset shifts that allow you to show up as both an artist and a CEO—without sacrificing either.

• What it looks like to redefine success around presence, community, and intention instead of numbers and accolades.

This is a heartfelt, real conversation about business, creativity, and life. If you’ve ever felt stuck between striving for more and craving something sustainable, you’ll find so much encouragement here.

I hope you walk away from this episode remembering: your business is meant to serve you, not the other way around.

Meet Brad & Jen:

Brad & Jen are a husband-and-wife photography team and creative business coaches who believe your business should make room for the life you actually want. Known for their heartfelt and genuine imagery and deeply strategic minds, they’ve spent over a decade capturing love stories - everywhere from backyard weddings to vineyards and destination celebrations around the world. Along the way, they built a business that values people over pressure, connection over comparison, and art over algorithms. Now, they teach other photographers how to do the same through practical education, mindset shifts, and a belief that your work can be both meaningful and profitable. Whether they’re behind the camera or mentoring creatives, Brad & Jen are all in on helping people do work they’re proud of, without losing themselves in the process.

Connect with Brad & Jen:

• Photography: @bradandjen

• Education: @bradandjeneducation

Learn more about their mastermind at learn.bradandjen.com