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For a project to be sustainable it must factor in the economic, social, and environmental impacts of its scope before its built, in order to minimize any detrimental impacts and maximize benefits. But backing up another step, for a project to be built at all, it must first have a handle on associated logistical constraints and how they factor into timelines and budgeting.

My two guests this week are energy experts who have decades of experience around the world. Mark Jacobson (Director, Atmosphere/Energy Program at Stanford University) and Doug Houseman (Principal Consultant, 1898&Co) are as good as it gets, and both not afraid to lean into this topic. Mounting global climate impacts have driven a push for decarbonization. That's a gargantuan lift on many fronts. Both men acknowledge the challenges, but disagree at numerous points as to where we are and how to move forward.

This was not an entirely comfortable conversation. That's OK, the best ones aren't. If we are going to try to effect positive changes in this space, we need to be willing to dig into the hard questions and start finding some solutions.

I enjoyed this one and know you will too!