This week we’re talking about HACKERS and CYBER CRIME.

The Lazarus Heist podcast tells the story of the Lazarus group, an illicit ring of hackers that investigators say are linked to North Korea. The group attempted to steal over a billion US dollars and are said to be behind the 2014 Sony hack.

So this week we discuss our encounters with North Korea and the problematic, dehumanizing way North Koreans tend to be depicted. Does this podcast do anything to dismantle these tropes? And what are North Korean booze cruises and why are they so deeply unethical?

Lazarus Heist is a podcast produced by the BBC World Service with North Korea expert and former correspondent Jean Lee, and Geoff White, an investigative journalist and technology specialist.

Listen to the original podcast and form your own opinions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w13xtvg9/episodes/downloads

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The music in our podcast is "You Can't Judge a Book" performed by Mac Wiseman and written by Claude Boone. It's a Dot Records Production.

All soundbites in this episode are used with permission from the BBC World Service.