What if the ethical dilemmas we face with animals—like dogs and dolphins—start applying to AI systems like ChatGPT? Should we care about the welfare of AI in the same way we care about other intelligent beings? And at what point on the road to Artificial General Intelligence do we need to pause and ask: Are we causing our AI agents harm?

In this thought-provoking episode, I have the privilege of sitting down with philosopher John Basl to explore his groundbreaking paper, “The Ethics of Creating Artificial Consciousness.” Together, we’ll unravel whether AI might one day deserve moral consideration—and what that means for the future of humanity and technology.