On this episode of Off the Clock, I’m joined by my tall pal Will, who I’ve known only a short while, who tells some of the funniest bawdy jokes I know, and provides probably the realest episode of a show I’ve ever done. Here’s some of what we talk about:

First Question: What was it about the Dominican Republic that made you and Melissa want to go back there again and again?

we talk about how Will lost a ton of weight, yoga, and making a wholesale lifestyle change

we talk about spirituality, religion (Southern Baptist & Methodist specifically), prosperity gospel, atheism, and how to connect to a higher power

Will tells me about how he got shot after a break-in attempt and what the recovery was like

how Will ultimately fell under the spell of a dude that led him to crime

what was jail like? and what’s something that people don’t about but jail or should?

we talk about race issues and why I’m unsure of my footing in these conversations as a white person

“You don’t belong here.” – words from a sheriff to Will when he arrived in prison

what would Will like to see more of or less of from white people?

Will’s feeling on the n-word, other charged words, and how we navigate language

the different reasons each of us wore suits in high school, and Will’s first job at age 11 (!)

Find Will on Instagram.

Theme song by Sorry Sweetheart.

Logo by Nebulus Visions.

Produced by Deft Communications.

Engage with the show on Facebook, Instagram and Bluesky.

Recorded at my house.