On this episode of Off the Clock, I’m joined by my friend Jeff, a wine enthusiast, the person I text the most with about the Nuggets and The King of Thornton. Here’s some of what we talk about:

First question: Who is your favorite Denver Nugget and why is it LaPhonso Ellis?

• is Jeff introverted? no, he just doesn’t care. let him explain.
• trying to describe wine without sounding like a pretentious douche – although we were drinking out of crystal, so idk
• a whole bunch of Denver Metro nostalgia featuring Thornton, Englewood, Applewood, and Arvada
• the self-assuredness to even do a podcast, much less do it successfully
• what percentage of each of the two of us is gay. the proportions might surprise you.
• why growing up when he did was the worst time to grow up and realize you’re gay.
• Karl Malone vs John Starks (or remembering some guys) (or how our 90s basketball taste differs)
• how many Jeffs we have in our lives, how it seems to be dying out and what the names are like now
• more music obsession including deep cuts from Bob Dylan, Frampton Comes Alive!, “Take It On the Run” by REO Speedwagon and more
• Bill Simmons (again), hating self-promotion, and selling out.

Find Jeff at his shows CSG Podcast and The GenX Show.

Theme song by Sorry Sweetheart.

Logo by Nebulus Visions.

Produced by Deft Communications.

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Recorded at my house over a bottle of Orin Swift’s Abstract.