If the medium is the message then surely anyone closely involved with Ableton over the past couple of decades can justifiably claim to have changed the world of music in that time.

Since our guest this week is a co-founder of the company, then his contribution should probably be described as world-changing. And not just electronic music, since all music today is to some extent running on tech. Ableton has done more than any other emergent piece of technology to enable vast, previously unprecedented numbers of people to make records.

But is that a good thing? We find out in this conversation.

Of course we also discuss Robert's contributions as an artist, in particular his new album as Monolake, entitled 'Studio'. We get into the process of making it, and the differences from his previous album projects. And we talk about the challenges and pressures of making music over time.

We also get deep into his story, moving from Munich to Berlin in 1990 and gradually developing the projects which would... well, change the world.

This is as good as I'm making it out to be, so make sure you get all the way through it!

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