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Today on Moment of Zen, Erik Torenberg talks with Samo Burja on "long history" - the thesis that human civilization is far older than believed, with complex societies predating agriculture by millennia. It examines why civilizations rise and fall, and implications for preventing our own collapse.
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Long History Thesis
- Human civilization is much older than believed - complex societies existed before agriculture
- Göbekli Tepe (11,500 years old) features monumental construction 1,000 years before earliest agriculture
- Academic consensus moves slowly; archaeologists find what they expect to find
Why Civilizations Fall
- Pattern 1: Military overextension and fiscal collapse (like Soviet Union)
- Pattern 2: Complex trade network breakdown (Bronze Age collapse example)
- History isn't linear progress - it's cycles of rise, stagnation, and fall
Modern Implications
- We may not reach the singularity - could face our own stagnation period
- Military overextension is a current US risk
- China and US are 80-90% similar despite perceived differences
Preventing Collapse
- Diversify beyond university monoculture - generate more "live players"
- Invest in novel energy sources and government experimentation
- Address fertility crisis (affects all societies regardless of politics)
- Avoid rationalizing decline as environmental success
Historical Lessons
- Ancient societies had sophisticated "social technologies" we've lost
- Study history for positive examples, not just cautionary tales
- Human nature and organizational capacity remain largely unexplored
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Long History Thesis
- Human civilization is much older than believed - complex societies existed before agriculture
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- Academic consensus moves slowly; archaeologists find what they expect to find
Why Civilizations Fall
- Pattern 1: Military overextension and fiscal collapse (like Soviet Union)
- Pattern 2: Complex trade network breakdown (Bronze Age collapse example)
- History isn't linear progress - it's cycles of rise, stagnation, and fall
Modern Implications
- We may not reach the singularity - could face our own stagnation period
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Preventing Collapse
- Diversify beyond university monoculture - generate more "live players"
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Historical Lessons
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