It was a pleasure to have Gary Heseltine back on the program, a former detective turned independent UAP investigator. In 2023, after years of research, he released a book, “Non-Human”, about the 1980 Rendlesham forest incidents (RFI), one of the most spectacular and complex UAP events in history.In July of 2025, a documentary about RFI, “Capel Green”, was released (at the time of recording this video, neither Gary nor I had seen the whole film, only trailers). Gary was involved in the early stages of the production, but he decided to walk away years ago because he wanted to get the book out. He knew he was sitting on unique information.“I wanted to get the truth out there.”In the early days, the RFI was to some extent covered in the media, because of a memorandum a commander of the air force base where the incidents took place released. It described parts of what had been seen and experienced. There was also one open witness.But soon, things began to be covered up by the higher echelons. Gary unveils much of it in his book.One compelling category of evidence the new documentary goes more into than Gary did in his book is the scientific proof that something strange happened. Gary had agreed with the film team not to talk about it in the book. But now he can.“There have been background radiation checks done where people said they saw craft or lights. And yes, there’s weird underground isotopic ratios that shouldn't be there.”The film should be well received in the UFO community, Gary thinks.“But there is still a lot of politics around the RFI. The narrative is being controlled.”One thing the controllers don’t want to talk about is the evidence of a conspicuous second UFO landing, where beings were seen – and filmed – by several witnesses (the whereabouts of the film material is unknown).Gary’s book and the “Capel Green” documentary land in a time of unprecedented UAP disclosure activity. Gary closely follows the legislative process in the US congress. He is both excited and frustrated.“We’ve moved forward slightly, but not enough.”The first witness hearing in 2023 (with whistleblower David Grusch) had a profound impact, but the second one in 2024 didn’t. The UAP Disclosure Act has been gutted twice. Hopefully it can pass in full later this year.There are still attempts at whitewashing and downplaying the subject by the Pentagon and its loyal journalists. But at the same time, people in the know are becoming more open, and new whistleblowers emerge.“The Pentagon is hanging on by their fingernails to keep this story down.”Trump has also appointed many people in prominent positions who are surprisingly open about their wish for UAP transparency, like Intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.A pivotal documentary, “The Age of Disclosure”, premiered at a film festival in March but has so far not gotten general distribution. Gary thinks it is meant to be part of a broader, coherent disclosure event.If official disclosure continues to be stalled, Gary believes there is a risk of ‘catastrophic disclosure’, meaning an incontrovertible mass sighting livestreamed by millions before the public has been prepared for it.Finally, Gary drops a bombshell piece of news: A large, week-long UAP conference with major players, including politicians, is in the works. He points out that he cannot reveal all details and that it is not entirely set in stone yet, but it is supposed to happen somewhere in the Middle East, probably in October.“This UAP conference will be the most important conference in the world”

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