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Political apathy runs deep in Australia, but why? This no-holds-barred conversation dives into the heart of civic disengagement, exploring why so many Australians feel their votes and political participation make absolutely no difference to their daily lives.

"I don't feel like your vote will make a difference," one host confesses, having never registered or voted. "I'm watching from afar and facing the other way." This raw admission opens a fascinating exploration of Australia's unique relationship with politics – a country where citizens follow rules diligently yet feel fundamentally disconnected from their democratic process.

The hosts contrast Australia's political landscape with America's, noting how they've watched US elections with intense interest despite having no stake in the outcome. Meanwhile, many couldn't name their own Prime Minister or explain basic policies affecting their businesses and lives. This paradox reveals how politics has transformed from civic responsibility into entertainment, with personality and spectacle overshadowing substance.

Most striking is the discussion of what might actually drive Australia's political awakening. While extreme measures like conscription might bring people to the streets, the everyday exploitation – outdated taxes originally implemented to fund long-concluded wars, toll roads paid off seventeen times over, unnecessary regulations stifling business growth – continues unchallenged. "People forget the government works for us," they observe. "I feel in this country, it's the other way around."

The conversation concludes with a compelling thought experiment: what if someone who actually cared about practical solutions took charge? What if leadership meant identifying "what's fucking stupid" and simply eliminating it? Subscribe now to join this refreshingly honest conversation about democracy's future in a nation where following the rules has become more important than questioning them.