What if the biggest difference between a lousy, good, and great marriage isn’t what you think?

In this eye-opening episode of the Marriage of Greatness podcast, hosts Evan and Susan Money reveal the real, transformative factors that separate struggling relationships from thriving ones. Drawing inspiration from John Gordon’s “7 Commitments of a Great Team” and real-life stories, they unpack why most couples get stuck—and how you can break free.

Key Highlights:

• The Three Levels of Marriage: Discover the simple yet powerful shift from ignoring issues (lousy), to addressing issues (good), to actually getting stronger because of issues (great).
• The Elephant in the Room: Learn why couples avoid tough conversations—whether it’s for peace, denial, or getting caught in the shame/guilt cycle—and why doing so is emotionally exhausting.
• How to Address Issues Effectively: Get practical tips on holding healthy, distraction-free conversations using “I feel” statements and the art of laughing at yourself.
• Moving from Good to Great: Hear how real couples turned their deepest challenges into the foundation for an even better marriage, including insights from Montell and Kristin Jordan and Nicole and Steven Torres.
• Embracing Growth as a Couple: Shift your mindset—learn to love the process of improvement, see issues as opportunities, and make your “weak links” the strongest part of your marriage.

Action Steps for Listeners:

• Reflect: Where in your relationship are you ignoring issues, just addressing them, or using them to get stronger as a couple?
• Schedule a Talk: Hold 20 minutes of undistracted, honest conversation with your partner—phones away, eyes and ears open!
• Apply the Reset Button: When things go sideways, pause and “reset” instead of spiraling into blame or defensiveness.
• Growth Plan: After addressing an issue, don’t stop there—ask, “What did we learn? How can we make sure this strengthens us moving forward?”
• Write it Down: Take one thing you learned from this episode and commit to putting it into action this week.

Want even more inspiration? Download Evan & Susan’s free Vow Renewal Handbook at evanlovesusan.com and follow their journey to 100 weddings. Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode!

Step into greatness in your marriage—starting today.

Timestamped Overview

00:00 Romantic Vow Renewal Inspiration

04:44 Cluttered Spaces and Awkward Visits

08:45 The Tipping Point of Suppression

12:33 "The Biggest Room: Self-Improvement"

13:27 Undistracted Communication in Marriage

18:40 R&B Legends Turn Marriage Healers

20:34 "Strengthening Bonds: Beyond Repair"

23:48 Choose Love Over Fear

26:11 Avoiding Travel Stress

28:53 Resistance Training for Mental Growth