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Ever catch yourself deciding that someone’s chewing or phone volume is a moral failure? We start there—small frictions that expose big assumptions—and climb toward the larger question: how do we live together with sharp differences, without losing honesty or hope? As a progressive Christian and a conservative atheist, we test the edges of our friendship by trading judgments for curiosity, and certainty for conviction.
Jeff shares the heart of several writing projects, including Walking on Common Ground, The Bible I Thought I Knew, and a provocative new outline exploring God as energy. We trace a path from fundamentalism to a Midrash-like, nonliteral reading of scripture, where Jesus and Paul model imaginative engagement rather than proof-text combat. Along the way, we examine the live tension between science and faith: physics, geology, and evolutionary biology tell us how the world works, while theology can still ask why it matters. Instead of retreat, we look for integration—where meaning doesn’t fight mechanism.
The conversation turns candid on free will, with Sam Harris’s determinism in the mix and a pragmatic response: even if choice is constrained, life demands we act as if responsibility is real. That stance anchors our pivot into virtues, flourishing, and the practical shape of prayer and community. What if salvation is integration, not transaction? What if worship is attunement to what is true, beautiful, and just? And what if “God as energy” helps us name the ground of being that underwrites moral life without forcing a rigid metaphysics?
Expect a lively mix of humor, self-critique, theology, and philosophy—plus some nineties worship nostalgia and plans for an upcoming live event. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves good-faith debate, and leave a review with one question you want us to tackle next.

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