What if the scariest thing about leaving ministry wasn’t the loss of your job - but the loss of your identity?

In this episode, Matt sits down with Josh Taylor, former executive pastor turned chief marketing officer, who opens up about what it’s really like to step off the platform and into the unknown.

From twelve years of trusted leadership in a growing church to a surprising turn through a university layoff and a marketing agency for car washes, Josh’s story is full of quiet pivots, faithful risk-taking, and unexpected grace.

But this isn’t just about changing careers. It’s about the slow death of pride, learning to hear God's voice outside the church walls, and becoming the kind of husband, father, and friend you were always meant to be.

If you’ve ever wondered what ministry looks like when your title disappears - or felt a holy nudge toward “something more” - this conversation will meet you right where you are.

• Why identity is one of the hardest things to untangle when leaving ministry
  
• How Josh navigated an unexpected layoff - and why it turned into one of the best days of his life
  
• What it looks like to still live out ministry in a secular workplace
  
• How to listen well, talk honestly with your spouse, and step into an unknown future with trust
  
• The surprising truth about being a present dad (and why the phone isn’t the only distraction)
  

00:00 – Josh's journey into ministry and long tenure as executive pastor
04:30 – Lessons from staffing, transitions, and team dynamics
07:25 – When boredom, burnout, and frustration signal it’s time to go
12:00 – Why Josh and his wife stepped away from their home church after resigning
17:00 – A safe landing at a university… and an unexpected layoff
19:30 – The power of a spouse’s words during a pivotal moment
22:50 – From pastor to car wash CMO: how to make sense of an unexpected calling
28:00 – How Josh stays present as a father and what he wants his son to remember
31:00 – Advice for leaders who feel called to step out but don’t know where to start

If you’re wrestling with what’s next after ministry, you don’t have to figure it out alone. Visit MinistryTransitions.com to find practical support and a team who’s walked this road too.

And be sure to follow Josh Taylor on Instagram at @joshtaylor.guide for thoughtful reflections on leadership, fatherhood, and life after ministry.