🎙️ Episode Title:
Leading Yourself and Loving Your Neighbor with Dr. Derwin & Vicki Gray

🎧 Episode Description:
In this powerful episode, Justin & Trish sit down with Dr. Derwin and Vicki Gray—authors, pastors, and founders of Transformation Church—for a deep and honest conversation about emotional health, marriage, leadership, and multiethnic ministry.

The Grays share wisdom from three decades of marriage and ministry, reflecting on how leading yourself well flows from your identity in Christ—and how a healthy marriage is often the first ministry. They also unpack the challenges and rewards of pastoring a multiethnic church, and why true gospel transformation must move beyond personal salvation into reconciliation with others.

This episode is packed with practical truth and encouragement for anyone who wants to grow spiritually, love others more deeply, and live lit up with love.

🔗 Links and/or Resources:
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