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“The Most Common Bad Argument In These Parts” by J Bostock
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I've noticed an antipattern. It's definitely on the dark pareto-frontier of "bad argument" and "I see it all the time amongst smart people". I'm confident it's the worst, common argument I see amongst rationalists and EAs. I don't normally crosspost to the EA forum, but I'm doing it now. I call it Exhaustive Free Association.
Exhaustive Free Association is a step in a chain of reasoning where the logic goes "It's not A, it's not B, it's not C, it's not D, and I can't think of any more things it could be!"[1] Once you spot it, you notice it all the damn time.
Since I've most commonly encountered this amongst rat/EA types, I'm going to have to talk about people in our community as examples of this.
Examples
Here's a few examples. These are mostly for illustrative purposes, and my case does not rely on me having found [...]
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Outline:
(00:55) Examples
(01:08) Security Mindset
(01:25) Superforecasters and AI Doom
(02:14) With Apologies to Rethink Priorities
(02:45) The Fatima Sun Miracle
(03:14) Bad Reasoning is Almost Good Reasoning
(05:09) Arguments as Soldiers
(06:29) Conclusion
(07:04) The Counter-Counter Spell
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
October 11th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/arwATwCTscahYwTzD/the-most-common-bad-argument-in-these-parts
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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Exhaustive Free Association is a step in a chain of reasoning where the logic goes "It's not A, it's not B, it's not C, it's not D, and I can't think of any more things it could be!"[1] Once you spot it, you notice it all the damn time.
Since I've most commonly encountered this amongst rat/EA types, I'm going to have to talk about people in our community as examples of this.
Examples
Here's a few examples. These are mostly for illustrative purposes, and my case does not rely on me having found [...]
---
Outline:
(00:55) Examples
(01:08) Security Mindset
(01:25) Superforecasters and AI Doom
(02:14) With Apologies to Rethink Priorities
(02:45) The Fatima Sun Miracle
(03:14) Bad Reasoning is Almost Good Reasoning
(05:09) Arguments as Soldiers
(06:29) Conclusion
(07:04) The Counter-Counter Spell
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
October 11th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/arwATwCTscahYwTzD/the-most-common-bad-argument-in-these-parts
---
Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
645 episodes
MP3•Episode home
Manage episode 513157255 series 3364760
Content provided by LessWrong. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by LessWrong or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://podcastplayer.com/legal.
I've noticed an antipattern. It's definitely on the dark pareto-frontier of "bad argument" and "I see it all the time amongst smart people". I'm confident it's the worst, common argument I see amongst rationalists and EAs. I don't normally crosspost to the EA forum, but I'm doing it now. I call it Exhaustive Free Association.
Exhaustive Free Association is a step in a chain of reasoning where the logic goes "It's not A, it's not B, it's not C, it's not D, and I can't think of any more things it could be!"[1] Once you spot it, you notice it all the damn time.
Since I've most commonly encountered this amongst rat/EA types, I'm going to have to talk about people in our community as examples of this.
Examples
Here's a few examples. These are mostly for illustrative purposes, and my case does not rely on me having found [...]
---
Outline:
(00:55) Examples
(01:08) Security Mindset
(01:25) Superforecasters and AI Doom
(02:14) With Apologies to Rethink Priorities
(02:45) The Fatima Sun Miracle
(03:14) Bad Reasoning is Almost Good Reasoning
(05:09) Arguments as Soldiers
(06:29) Conclusion
(07:04) The Counter-Counter Spell
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
October 11th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/arwATwCTscahYwTzD/the-most-common-bad-argument-in-these-parts
---
Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
…
continue reading
Exhaustive Free Association is a step in a chain of reasoning where the logic goes "It's not A, it's not B, it's not C, it's not D, and I can't think of any more things it could be!"[1] Once you spot it, you notice it all the damn time.
Since I've most commonly encountered this amongst rat/EA types, I'm going to have to talk about people in our community as examples of this.
Examples
Here's a few examples. These are mostly for illustrative purposes, and my case does not rely on me having found [...]
---
Outline:
(00:55) Examples
(01:08) Security Mindset
(01:25) Superforecasters and AI Doom
(02:14) With Apologies to Rethink Priorities
(02:45) The Fatima Sun Miracle
(03:14) Bad Reasoning is Almost Good Reasoning
(05:09) Arguments as Soldiers
(06:29) Conclusion
(07:04) The Counter-Counter Spell
The original text contained 2 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
October 11th, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/arwATwCTscahYwTzD/the-most-common-bad-argument-in-these-parts
---
Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
645 episodes
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