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It's been roughly 7 years since the LessWrong user-base voted on whether it's time to close down shop and become an archive, or to move towards the LessWrong 2.0 platform, with me as head-admin. For roughly equally long have I spent around one hundred hours almost every year trying to get Said Achmiz to understand and learn how to become a good LessWrong commenter by my lights.[1] Today I am declaring defeat on that goal and am giving him a 3 year ban.
What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
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Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
---
Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
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First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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It's been roughly 7 years since the LessWrong user-base voted on whether it's time to close down shop and become an archive, or to move towards the LessWrong 2.0 platform, with me as head-admin. For roughly equally long have I spent around one hundred hours almost every year trying to get Said Achmiz to understand and learn how to become a good LessWrong commenter by my lights.[1] Today I am declaring defeat on that goal and am giving him a 3 year ban.
What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
---
Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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…
continue reading
What follows is an explanation of the models of moderation that convinced me this is a good idea, the history of past moderation actions we've taken for Said, and some amount of case law that I derive from these two. If you just want to know the moderation precedent, you can jump straight there.
I think few people have done as much to shape the culture [...]
---
Outline:
(02:45) The sneer attractor
(04:51) The LinkedIn attractor
(07:19) How this relates to LessWrong
(11:38) Weaponized obtuseness and asymmetric effort ratios
(21:38) Concentration of force and the trouble with anonymous voting
(24:46) But why ban someone, cant people just ignore Said?
(30:25) Ok, but shouldnt there be some kind of justice process?
(36:28) So what options do I have if I disagree with this decision?
(38:28) An overview over past moderation discussion surrounding Said
(41:07) What does this mean for the rest of us?
(50:04) So with all that Said
(50:44) Appendix: 2022 moderation comments
The original text contained 18 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.
---
First published:
August 22nd, 2025
Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/98sCTsGJZ77WgQ6nE/banning-said-achmiz-and-broader-thoughts-on-moderation
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Redefining AI is the 2024 New York Digital Award winning tech podcast! Discover a whole new take on Artificial Intelligence in joining host Lauren Hawker Zafer, a top voice in Artificial Intelligence on LinkedIn, for insightful chats that unravel the fascinating world of tech innovation, use case exploration and AI knowledge. Dive into candid discussions with accomplished industry experts and established academics. With each episode, you'll expand your grasp of cutting-edge technologies and ...
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