After debating together on the Ellen Fisher Podcast, Elijah Lamb (Gen-Z Christian preacher and well-known TikToker) and I (ex-Catholic, now atheist debater) sat down to unpack Gen-Z Catholicism, Protestant/Catholic/Atheist debate culture, and why certainty theater replaces discipleship. We talk caricatures (“read church history, become Catholic”), denominational hopping, Mary/Eucharist misunderstandings, street-apologetics gotchas, humility vs. victory, and how online arguments are getting more technical—and more honest. What should Catholics, Protestants, and atheists actually do next?
00:00 Rise of Gen Z Catholicism
02:47 Personal Faith Journeys
04:54 Debating Apologetics
07:33 Youth and Theological Exploration
10:26 Navigating Online Religious Debates
30:22 The Role of Apologetics in Faith
34:26 The Futility of Online Religious Debates
36:32 The Impact of Apologetics on Personal Faith
43:31 The Evolution of Christian-Atheist Debates
49:41 Advice for Catholic Apologists and Atheists

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