Ben, Marc, and Erik Torenberg are joined by Brian Schimpf, Cofounder & CEO of Anduril, and Chris Power, Founder & CEO of Hadrian. Together, they dig into America’s defense production gap: why the U.S. can out-innovate but not out-produce—and what it will take to turn that around.

They discuss why U.S. war games show we run out of munitions in a week, the myth of “exquisite-only” systems, how to rebuild industrial capacity with software-led automation, financing factories like data centers, and what it takes to create real deterrence in a Taiwan scenario.

Timecodes:

0:00 Introduction

0:54 The Myth of Technical Superiority

3:31 Erosion of US Manufacturing

6:50 Challenges in Rebuilding Industrial Capacity

8:31 The Skilled Labor Crisis

15:01 Automation and the Future of Manufacturing

17:57 Supply Chain Vulnerabilities

26:05 Regulatory and Policy Barriers

36:49 Financial Engineering vs. Industrial Policy

46:15 US vs. China: Strategic Competition

46:55 The Taiwan Scenario & War Gaming

52:55 Demographics, Economics, and CCP Strategy

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Marc on X: https://x.com/pmarca

Marc’s Substack: https://pmarca.substack.com/

Ben on X: https://x.com/bhorowitz

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