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Give Them An Argument: Are Service Workers and Public Sector Employees Part of the Proletariat?

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Are service workers part of the "productive" part of the working class? And what does that mean? How about public sector employees--if they're not productive workers, does that mean that their interests don't align with productive workers and socialists shouldn't support the welfare state after all?
Ben Burgis talks about what the Trotskyist leader and Marxist economist Ernest Mandel gets right and wrong in his introduction to Capital Vol. 2.
Read Ben's essay:
benburgis.substack.com/p/are-service-workers-and-public-sector
Watch the Erik Olin Wright "Understanding Class" lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmiiSSMZPnE
Read his review of Jodi Dean's book:
https://unherd.com/2025/05/the-21st-century-belongs-to-marx/
Read Dean's response to Ben:
https://www.sublationmag.com/post/analogies-and-tendencies-a-response-to-ben-burgis
Read Ben's response to Dean's response:
https://www.sublationmag.com/post/service-workers-aren-t-servants-a-response-to-jodi-dean
Follow Ben on Twitter: @BenBurgis
Follow GTAA on Twitter: @Gtaa_Show
Become a GTAA Patron and receive numerous benefits ranging from occasional patron-exclusive content to access to the GTAA Discord to our undying love and gratitude for helping us keep this thing going:
patreon.com/benburgis
Read the weekly philosophy Substack:
benburgis.substack.com

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187 episodes

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Are service workers part of the "productive" part of the working class? And what does that mean? How about public sector employees--if they're not productive workers, does that mean that their interests don't align with productive workers and socialists shouldn't support the welfare state after all?
Ben Burgis talks about what the Trotskyist leader and Marxist economist Ernest Mandel gets right and wrong in his introduction to Capital Vol. 2.
Read Ben's essay:
benburgis.substack.com/p/are-service-workers-and-public-sector
Watch the Erik Olin Wright "Understanding Class" lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmiiSSMZPnE
Read his review of Jodi Dean's book:
https://unherd.com/2025/05/the-21st-century-belongs-to-marx/
Read Dean's response to Ben:
https://www.sublationmag.com/post/analogies-and-tendencies-a-response-to-ben-burgis
Read Ben's response to Dean's response:
https://www.sublationmag.com/post/service-workers-aren-t-servants-a-response-to-jodi-dean
Follow Ben on Twitter: @BenBurgis
Follow GTAA on Twitter: @Gtaa_Show
Become a GTAA Patron and receive numerous benefits ranging from occasional patron-exclusive content to access to the GTAA Discord to our undying love and gratitude for helping us keep this thing going:
patreon.com/benburgis
Read the weekly philosophy Substack:
benburgis.substack.com

  continue reading

187 episodes

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