In this inspiring conversation, Sarah Kernion is joined by Julie Kratz—an acclaimed inclusive leadership trainer, TEDx speaker, and author of The Allyship Advantage: A Guide to Championing Inclusion in the Workplace. Together, they unpack what true allyship looks like, especially in the context of autism, neurodiversity, and workplace inclusion.

Julie brings both professional expertise and personal insight to the table as she and Sarah discuss the myth of meritocracy, the real challenges marginalized communities face in traditional work environments, and how generational shifts are reshaping our understanding of diversity. She shares practical steps leaders can take right now to foster more inclusive cultures—beyond just policies or performative gestures.

This episode is for anyone who wants to do better, be better, and make space for everyone—whether at work, at home, or in the world at large. It’s a powerful reminder that inclusion begins with curiosity, empathy, and the courage to lead differently.

Her new book We Want You: An Allyship Guide for People with Power is out this Friday, Aug 8th: Order Here!

Julie's work can all be found online on her website Next Pivot Point