Kevin sits down with Shakil Butt, an HR Hall of Famer, Non-Exec Director at the CIPD, and founder of HR Hero for Hire. Shakil talks about what he loves about working in HR, his experience of being an HRD and why he has now decided to 'go out on his own' as a consultant. Shakil also reaches into his experience at IR Worldwide to discuss how do you get diversity and inclusion into the DNA of an organisation and reveals his best development tip - reaching out to other HRDs and openly stealing their good ideas.